I hope he dies before for the simple reason that I could rub it in the Mo's faces by saying "Oh, looks he did enough damage as just the GA and God realized having him as the leader would be a PR disaster."
Good point. I take it you refer to the canonized notes to Official Declaration 1. Plenty of prophets (all of them?) do dubious things and are then called home. It got me thinking...
Wilford Woodruff in Official Declaration 1 wrote:
The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place
After reading your post I got thinking about the "removed from my place" that Woodruff speaks of. The context sounds like dying, but in the Bible "remove from a place" nearly always refers to geographic location. The D&C uses the words in the same way. Which is interesting because the intended "place" for Mormon leaders is Jackson County, as stated repeatedly in LDS scripture:
D&C 84 wrote:
1 A revelation of Jesus Christ unto his servant Joseph Smith, Jun., and six elders, as they united their hearts and lifted their voices on high.
2 Yea, the word of the Lord concerning his church, established in the last days for the restoration of his people, as he has spoken by the mouth of his prophets, and for the gathering of his saints to stand upon Mount Zion, which shall be the city of New Jerusalem.
3 Which city shall be built, beginning at the temple lot, which is appointed by the finger of the Lord, in the western boundaries of the State of Missouri, and dedicated by the hand of Joseph Smith, Jun., and others with whom the Lord was well pleased.
4 Verily this is the word of the Lord, that the city New Jerusalem shall be built by the gathering of the saints, beginning at this place, even the place of the temple, which temple shall be reared in this generation.
5 For verily this generation shall not all pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it, which cloud shall be even the glory of the Lord, which shall fill the house.
I find this interesting because the Utah LDS church has been so apostate for so long (apostasy literally means moving apart) that Packer and company no longer even pay lip service to the original teachings. Removing from their place - giving up the central concept of Zion - is only one element. We are all aware of Packer's attitude to Jesus' teachings on love (Jesus' teachings were mocked by Monson in the latest GC).
We recently discussed how Packer has abandoned the "Second Coming soon" message. So that is both parts of the church's name shot down. We know Packer's attitude to education and D&C121 (persuasion, not authority) and everything else that ever inspired hope in the church. I just marvel at how far the church has come that Packer no longer seems out of place.
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