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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:09 am 
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Interesting little piece in Salon on Mormons concerned about the blowback of having such a Mormon figure in such a lightning rod public position. Also notable for referencing TSCC's problems with loss of members and slowing conversion, and how its

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...political monoculture may well be shrinking the gene pool of potential converts who will remain comfortable in LDS pews.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:55 pm 
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Love the quote from Gladys Knight.

I saw that and this piece about the feminist mormon housewife.

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“In a congregation 15 years ago, anyone could have told you which women were employed outside their home and which ones weren’t,” says Kristine Haglund, editor of the liberal Mormon journal Dialogue. That’s no longer the case, she says, partly out of economic necessity, and because young women “didn’t grow up with the sense that there was something inherently wicked about women participating in public life.”
(I agree with this, I could tell you which women in my parents' ward were employed outside the home. Some I might get wrong, but I'd probably get 80% right).

Perhaps it's just me, but I'm enjoying the national media spotlight on mormonism. All this stuff I've thought about and talked about (and read about here and elsewhere) for years being discussed on a national level is exciting. The same as when a tv show/movie/author becomes popular and I can discuss with friends. (whereas before I would bring up the tv show/movie/author and people would look at me like I was speaking in Greek).

With that said, when the election is over, I strongly suspect that the big 15 will start clearing house. Even if Mitt is elected, after he's out, it will happen. I don't know that mormon theology can fit with feminism long term. Perhaps I'm being overly negative, but I don't see any signs that anything has changed since 1993.

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When Lisa Butterworth started Feminist Mormon Housewives in 2004, writing under her own name to debate often-taboo questions, she worried about being called into a church court. It never happened, even as the site grew to a dozen regular bloggers. “I know personally most of the people that were excommunicated in the ’90s and I’ve read the things they wrote,” she told Salon. “Pretty much everything that got them excommunicated has been said on the Internet 50 times and not a soul has been excommunicated.”

“There’s the sense that they can’t control it anymore, that the Internet makes it impossible to round everyone up,” Haglund says.


If I were placing odds, I would not place the odds on the feminists. That's not where the power or the money is. The church has everything to gain and nothing to lose by excommunicating them.

I do support all the feminists. But there's a point where there's "hope for change" and acknowledgement of reality.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:33 pm 
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aerin wrote:
Perhaps it's just me, but I'm enjoying the national media spotlight on mormonism. All this stuff I've thought about and talked about (and read about here and elsewhere) for years being discussed on a national level is exciting.


I'm practically dancing with delight over the media attention that the organization is getting. One of the reasons includes quotes like this one from the article linked in the OP:
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Though the actual numbers of defections have not been published, anecdotal stories abound throughout Utah. It’s not just Joseph’s sex life that causes many Mormons to mistrust their leaders, but also the church’s persistent commitment to right-wing politics.

“I cannot count the number of stories I’ve heard from moms who left the church because of Prop. 8,” explained Utah writer and social critic Holly Welker. “The reason? They have a gay son or daughter.”


These days, who would ever, ever investigate that religion (or any other) without first performing an Internet search? Today, if anyone is stupid enough to believe the bullshit after either investigating thoroughly or having the ability to do so and deciding against investigating, then they deserve to get their head fucked up by giving away their reasoning skills (& time and MONEY) to the organization.

I know that's harsh to some but Floaterism can't always be pretty.

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