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Scratch on Mormon Discussions has heard a rumor that Monson has early Alzheimer's Disease.



How fucking fun would it be if Packer became Prez?

http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=24617&sid=c5e6c9784c89f249ffcb34bae49ca73e

OMG, I would pay big huge unborrowed money to witness something like that happening!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_lUu_RyFpI&feature=player_detailpage#t=6s

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Oh fun! I enthusiastically believe anything (supported or not) bad about both of them, so let the schadenfreude begin!!
And by the way? Monson has "begun" to do embarrassing things in public? Begun!

It's the weirdest thing, whenever I hear Monson I have this song come into my head.
But instead of "Oh Danny boy" I hear "Oh Tommy boy".
Maybe it's some bizarre 4th dimensional riff on Tommy Boy with Chris Farley and this old time Celtic goodie.
I'm going to blame it on too much purple microdot during the teen years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_XJFp5JXpk

They all do embarrassing things in public. On a lighter note, my nephew has been named Ezekiel Monson - I call him Zeke Mon. The kid's going to grow up to be either a GA or a pot-smoking hippie - nothing in-between!

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My parents were at the Portland Temple dedication in the late 80s, when ETB got up and did just exactly that. Or, well, it wasn't in the middle of a dedicatory prayer, it was during a talk. But still.

And Monson was his handler at the time and skivvied him off stage as quickly as he could.

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Surely it cannot be too long until Packer croaks? That leaves Perry next in line, who is rumoured to be in better physical health than both Monson and Packer even though he is older than both of them, but is also rumoured to have Alzheimers.

One of the most crazy things about tscc is the way leaders are chosen. The selection process took place 40 years ago. All they needed to do was get into the Q15 then live longer than everybody else! No discussion about which of the Q15 is most suitable, the senior one gets the top job as it is "Buggins turn"

Didn't "Tarmy" arrive late for GC recently? Surely it all had started by then? It is all hushed up, so my guess is that everything is much worse than we hear.

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Is this policy of succession "scripturally valid?" I realize it's the way they do things but is the method of "longevity = selection" actually printed in the documents the organization claims to be scriptures? I thought there was something in D&C that mentioned the Q12/14 would gather together and then pray to receive a "revelation" or whatever. I also remember a talk by BKP which indicated the method in place "longevity = selection" but I always wondered where that "commandment" was published first. At the time, none of my TBM friends knew either and they looked at me sideways for wondering about such things.

Regardless, I believe there are two primary entities at the top of the organization:

The Q15 and ancillary leadership we see
The people who actually manage the financial operations of the organization

I am confident the Corporation of the President (or, whatever name given to the men who are really controlling the financial operations) has a clear, well defined legal system in place to guarantee the money will continue to pour in and then be funneled to destinations unknown which they control. This "secret combination" of men in charge of financial operations will continue their control, using the facade of the Q15 (or whatever) to promote their unscrupulous agenda, and whether one or more of the visible leaders are physically &/or mentally deficient, makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in the covert operations of the vault guardians.

I also believe this scenario is possible to uncover. Given proper resources, I am certain that some day, someone or a group of individuals will have enough motivation and ingenuity to discover and share tangible, overwhelming evidence this situation is actually occurring and the public will finally realize what's really going on. I just hope Michael Moore isn't the one documenting the deceitful, sordid story when it finally becomes available. Someone crafty will take advantage of this opportunity and either make themselves famous, get paid off or perhaps end up taking a one way trip to oblivion.

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It's good to talk about these things and to sort out the messed up mindfuck we were in.
- SIMS

OK, I'm just operating on memory here, but I think this started with Brigham. When the Q12 was initially organized when JS was still alive, seniority was based on age. Brigham was made president of the quorum because he was the oldest - at 32.

After that, seniority was based on when you entered the quorum. When David W. Patten was killed, for example, everyone younger than him moved up in seniority and his replacement, regardless of actual age, was then the most junior member of the quorum. In fact, Orson Hyde and Orson Pratt were both passed over for the presidency because they lost their place in the succession when they briefly apostasized and then returned. Their replacements were considered more senior.

In Nauvoo, Brigham made his original claim to succession on behalf of the entire Quorum. I don't believe he originally claimed the full "mantle" for himself right after Joseph's death. The 12, he claimed, was the ruling body of the church in the absence of a first presidency. Of course, as president of said quorum, he was first among equals. I think they formalized it and he organized the first presidency once they'd gotten established in Utah. And that's been the pattern ever since, pretty much.

I don't think that's at all "scriptural" - not even found in the "modern scriptures." Joseph didn't establish any succession process before he died. That's why there was all that splintering after his death; that's why his son started the reorganite church. It's all based on precedent and then became sacralized in a sort of vague way.

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The apple cannot be stuck back on the Tree of Knowledge; once we begin to see, we are doomed and challenged to seek the strength to see more, not less. ~ Arthur Miller

According to this organization-published document:

http://seminary.lds.org/manuals/doctrine-and-covenants-and-church-history-seminary-teacher-resource-manual/dc-trm-7-pres-succession.asp

We learn the following:



However, the scriptural references cited, accompanying this quote do not indicate, with any clarity, the process that "has always become" being mentioned.

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It's good to talk about these things and to sort out the messed up mindfuck we were in.
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As far as I am aware, the succession in spelled out in the articles of incorporation that the church filed with the state. The pres of the Q12 will always become the the pres of the church, which is a corporation sole. That means that all property, money assets and holdings belong to Tommy Boy and will belong to whoever is the pres of the q12 when Tommy goes home to imaginary father.

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Ah, so they didn't sacralize it, they codified it. It's a legal construct. That's quite fitting. LOL

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The apple cannot be stuck back on the Tree of Knowledge; once we begin to see, we are doomed and challenged to seek the strength to see more, not less. ~ Arthur Miller

Packer would be a great president. I would love to see this happen. I am sure his heavy handed approach to how the gospel needs to be lived would embarrass the church in ways that I haven't even though of yet. If they hurry, they could get this done before the elections in November.

yes, that would be in alignment with Packer's over-all obsession with all things heavy handed.
Every woman knows a light hand is necessary. Will these men NEVER learn!!


Did I say that?
What are we talking about here?
oh, nevermind.

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I am praying that Monson will be taken so that the Lord's annointed spokesman, even Boyd K. Packer, can lead the church in righteousness and embarass the hell out of Mitt Romney.

On a different note, if Packer becomes CEO, his heavy handed approach would result in the church hemorrhaging even more members. Even my stalwart TBM parents are concerned about Pakcer taking over and being out of control. At some point, most members would start askign themselves with 7 billion people on the planet why did God pick this guy and allow him to rise to the top? Is this some sort of sick joke? God could certainly find someone better than an old cranky fart like Packer.

Another thought. Why would God put in place a system where half of the time the prophet is senile? It happened with George Albert Smith, David O. McKay, Spencer W. Kimball, Ezra Taft Benson and now apparently Monson. What good is a living prophet if the guy is so out of it that he is drooling all over himself and soiling his garments every ten minutes? Certainly, with the issues facing the world right now, God's spokesman should be at the top of his game rather than talking to imaginary friends and spilling his oatmeal all over his white shirt and tie.

M.P.

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