My apostimony letter to my dad

AdamMKili · **Joined:** Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:08 am **Posts:** 14

I've decided to remove my posts. If an Admin reads this, you can delete this, and all threads by me, and you can delete my FLAK account too. Thanks, it's been great everyone!

Froggie · **Posted:** Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:53 am

I'm waaaaaaiting. :bluewave:

AdamMKili · **Joined:** Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:08 am **Posts:** 14

I've decided to remove my posts. If an Admin reads this, you can delete this, and all threads by me, and you can delete my FLAK account too. Thanks, it's been great everyone!

rebaptized_agnostic · **Joined:** Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:33 am **Posts:** 5

If I could stand up and applaud you, AdamMKili. Thank you so much for such a beautiful letter and its example of calm rationalism and dedication to fairness. I'm eighteen and trying to come out to my own parents soon. I'm interested to know how this was received.

ruoutthere · **Posted:** Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:32 pm

Wow Adam. That letter was well thought out and you really worked on being accessible and polite. I admire how kind and loving you seem to your father in this difficult time. I look forward to hearing what his response is. Good luck!

doubtingmo · **Posted:** Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:01 pm

Wonderful letter, very well written..I hope it successfully makes your dad consider your arguments thoughtfully..

AdamMKili · **Joined:** Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:08 am **Posts:** 14

I've decided to remove my posts. If an Admin reads this, you can delete this, and all threads by me, and you can delete my FLAK account too. Thanks, it's been great everyone!

Joan · **Joined:** Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:01 pm **Posts:** 253

AdamMKili wrote:

Just so everyone knows, I revised the letter some more, I rearranged a few things, added some things, removed one or two things, and reworded some things. I've decided to deliver the letter by recording myself saying it and posting it on youtube. It'll be straight from the horse's mouth as they say. I might make the videos public later, we'll see. I'm actually finally completely satisfied with the further revised version of the letter above, and I plan on making my videos tomorrow, and sending them to my dad tomorrow. I'll let you know how it goes!

Be sure to come back and post the link.

Would you be able to post the revised work here?
I've copied your pre-revised letter and am always on the look out for info like this to refer to tbm's during discussion.

well done.

junesu · **Posted:** Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:46 am

AdamMKili wrote:

* 1819 revivals differ from accounts given by Joseph's brother, William Smith, and Oliver Cowdery who both plainly tell about the well-documented 1824 revivals and a specific preacher who, independently, can be shown was not in the area until 1824, and how those revivals and that specific preacher motivated Joseph to find out which church was true.
. . .

* The only accounts available all speak of the Moroni vision, until 1832.
. . .

Back to the topic of the First Vision, I think if all the details in the 1838 version and other versions of the First Vision are given due consideration, I think the most informed opinion is that the First Vision, if it happened at all, happened in 1824 or 1823, not 1820 (which isn't necessarily a problem if Joseph was really bad with dates).

From all I've read, I believe moroni's alleged visitation in 1823 slowly morphed into the "first visitation of angels" and then into the "first vision," while somehow maintaining its own identity.

I thought there were well documented revivals in 1823 as well, no?

The first vision had to be pushed back and I wonder why 1820 was chosen.

As to your letter-- good shit, brother! You have some stuff I've never read or heard of before. Great job. I trust your letter will no doubt strengthen your father's beliefs. :wink:

pollypinks · **Joined:** Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:32 pm **Posts:** 591

I'm new here, and I've been out for 23 years. My children having to have their names removed has brought stuff back to memory, but, your letter was priceless. I too spent long hours composing details that did not add up, so I too could tell my father. But after all this time, that's pretty much been a moot point. I'm a universalist and he knows why, and I can think of nothing more hideous than to live with someone else's "worthy" husband eternally and poop out children. Dad says that's okay, I can wait on those who will....I don't think so.

Froggie · **Posted:** Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:17 pm

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Dad says that's okay, I can wait on those who will....I don't think so

Hmmmm. I hope he didn't say this to your face? I would be very angry if my father said this. As it is, my dad told me I was sealed to he and mom and it didn't matter what I did I was going to end up in the CK with them. I don't know what is worse, an adult being informed they were going to wait on more glorified beings for eternity or told they are going to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into this place of glory.

Big green hugs,

Froggie

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