Further Light and Knowledge

So I've been lurking on the LOLDamuz thread for a while but haven't read much else (and can I just say that the LOLdowment is one of the finest pieces of work I've ever seen, Goldarn).

I'm kind of a regular at NOM, and while Dathon probably thinks I'm here rather than there because I wanted to say shit and wasn't allowed, it's deeper than that. I don't like that the church censors it's history, so a board intended to help people leaving the church that also censors its content didn't sit too well either.

BIC, RM, TM, all that until last year. Had questions initially about WoW that turned into questions about early church history that turned into the whole thing falling apart. Fortunately for me, things fell apart for DW at the same time.

My parents will say I left because I wanted to drink coffee. Good for them. Once I left, I decided I wanted to learn to like beer (click my www link for details of that journey). Now I love beer and am on a quest to try every beer produced in the state of Utah. I also love racing bikes, so I have to watch the beer intake because bike racers rival runway models when it comes to eating disorders. Not that I'm skinny or have an eating disorder, but it's all relative. Anyway, enough about me.

Howdy.

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"Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain."

Welcome!

Yes, welcome! Censorship is for dicks, imo.

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Fear will keep the local systems in line.

Welcome

Fuck censorshit

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It's good to talk about these things and to sort out the messed up mindfuck we were in.
- SIMS

Welcome! You can discuss whorehouses here anytime!

Nom, the mod over there, posts over here too, I think, or at least used to.
I see his point in general but it seems he made a mistake in shutting down the whorehouse thread. He says this:


but the whole point is he shut down the thread before any posts of "redeeming value" could be made. Instead of shutting it down, why not contribute your thoughts on how the whorehouses could have been the mistake of a flawed man or men.

Discovering shit like the whorehouses and other negative aspects of church history is why people are on the fence. They come to NOM to discuss shit like that, among other things, I'm assuming. How do you help people deal with their feelings on the church without discussing what causes those feelings?

Anyway, fuck all that. Again, welcome.

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He never said it would be worth it; He only said it would be easy.

You are welcome: 1) to FLAK and 2) I was the initiator of the whorehouse thread.

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”Most of the harm in the world is done by good people, and not by accident, lapse, or omission. It is the result of their deliberate actions, long persevered in, which they hold to be motivated by high ideals toward virtuous ends.” - Isabel Paterson

Yeah, I didn't even get to post on the whorehouse thread before it was locked. Glad to see some familiar names, including at least one that's had brunch at my house, FF42.

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"Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain."

FLAK exists as the perfect foil for NOM, and they do love to take digs at us on a fairly regular basis (which is even more funny when it comes from posters who are NOMs that are semi-regulars on FLAK as well). We are the den of all iniquity and vitriol and irrational anti-mormonism, rather than the salon of fair, reasoned discussion and moderation that is NOM. I suspect this is because we use bad words and don't frame them with lace and butterflies, not because there is actually any empirical basis whatsoever for lack of reason and thoughtful argument over here...mingled with anger and eff-words.

Welcome, post about whatever you want. Just be prepared to back it up if someone sees things differently. Even if it's something to do with Joseph Smith's motives, about which reasonable people might fucking disagree. Whether they are actually hateful, knee-jerk anti-mormons or not.

welcome!

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my blog

That's exactly what a bitter ex-mormon would say.

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Fear will keep the local systems in line.

Inorite!!

Somebody's intro thread (Welcome to FLAK, second gospel! ) is probably not the best place to discuss this, but Ima do it anyway, because this is just that kind of out-of-control madhouse.

Basically, what I'm taking away from this statement is that as long as we are discussing why it is possibly justifiable that JS or some other church leader did some unconscionable thing then it's OK. If we call it out as something just basically corrupt, then we can't talk about it.

Might as well be on the Bloggernaccle or even MAD. Seriously now. It's just a short step from there to apologetics. Why can't we just call a spade a spade here. I think it is JUST as arguable that Joseph Smith was a flawed man who ALSO made a premeditated effort to commit mass adultery. And if he was lying to himself about why he did it, IMO that just makes him more creepy. Same goes for the whorehouse. I'm sure there are all kinda ways they could (and no doubt did) parse that to make it be OK, but the fact is, they knew about it, they allowed it, they profited from it. And that's rank hypocrisy. Just the same as JS's "polygamy" was rank hypocrisy.

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The apple cannot be stuck back on the Tree of Knowledge; once we begin to see, we are doomed and challenged to seek the strength to see more, not less. ~ Arthur Miller

O hai. I know you from somewhere out there.
LOLDamuz is an awesome reason to be here.

Saying shit and fuck = good reasons, also.

Meeting lots of cool DAMU people = more great reasons.

Hope you enjoy it here!

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I wish karma tasted more like caramel.

"All we are is pulverized micro particulates circulating in the after effect of convection and circulation." ~Dawgma

What is this NOM of which you people speak? Never heard of it.

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