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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:29 am 
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I grew up a Mormon boy. Now I'm here.

Oh, you want more details....

I was Born in the Covenant, up in the Pacific Northwest, near Seattle. Those who knew me described me as generally happy and smart. I wanted to be so many things when I grew up. I read lots and lots of books (there was a book in my elementary school library, on logic -- I was the only one who ever read it, according to the librarian). I played several instruments, and have a decent singing voice. But when I discovered computers in junior high, that decided things. It was a game called Original Adventure that hooked me -- some of you might not know the game, but it's an old-style text-based adventure (We didn't have none of this modern 3D crap, and that's the way we liked it!). Anyway, it hooked me on the creative potential of computers. Fortunately, it turns out I'm pretty good at programming.

Like all good Mormon boys, I went to BYU. One semester before my mission; several afterwards. I graduated with a degree in Computer Science. People would ask me if I wanted to stay in Utah after I graduated. I would tell them that I would only stay if someone paid me. Someone did, and I worked for one company after another for many years. You would probably recognize some of the names; you certainly would recognize where I work now.

Despite going to BYU, the Church and I never really got along too well. I was considered very spiritual as a youth; I held the leadership callings such boys hold, but was generally considered "nerdish," and thus, didn't fit in too well. But I was still "spiritual," by which I mean I knew all the answers to the questions in class. I liked reading, so scripture study in seminary was a breeze, and I liked reading other church books, too. I was raised by parents who took my to church, held important callings, and taught me to volunteer and participate. We spent time at the church farm, I helped set up and take down chairs when other people were already running for the cars; you know the kind of kid. I don't say this with any pride--I wished I didn't have to do any of that. Growing up, my family was one of those who "you could always count on." I liked the church, mostly--Sunday could be boring, but I got to see those friends I had in the church, and I liked the youth dances. I used to go to two or three every month, in neighboring stakes. I went to Especially for Youth, at BYU. I went on temple trips to the Seattle Temple, and even sang at the cornerstone laying.

BYU is where my idealistic view of the mormon church foundered. I had always believed, from my extensive reading of church books, that the church was serious when it said that it embraced all truth. I read a great deal of science, and understood it as well as a laymen does, I suppose. I assumed that the church leaders and member who objected to an ancient earth, or evolution, or whatnot, were just misinformed. Being at BYU convinced me that most of the church was misinformed. Several events led me to that conclusion, including the discovery of a book about organic evolution that I found in the BYU Library. It had been censored--blackened with pen, with some pages ripped out. Someone at BYU, some Mormon, had done this, and thought it was the right thing to do.

Even in my teens I began to realize that the church was not on my side, and would not stand by me if I did the right thing. They knew I would keep coming each week and paying tithing, so when lesser-actives harassed or bullied me, the leadership wouldn't stop them, for fear they would stop attending. Even if I had wanted to stop coming, my parents probably wouldn't have allowed it. To be honest, the idea really didn't occur to me.

Long story short: I got married, had kids, lived in Utah until a few years ago, when I moved my family to California, across the bay from the City of San Francisco. After living in Utah so very long, it was wonderful to be near the ocean again. Not to mention being around people who are different from each other!

I still attend church with my family, but on the one-hour block. I have a calling I generally enjoy, and am in a pretty good place in my emotional life. It's amazing to me how a lifetime of stress, heartache, and pain can just fell away as soon as I admitted to myself that the church simply wasn't "true."

I'll end with this metaphor: We all know how, a long time ago, people thought the Earth was a the center of universe. A man named Ptolemy described the solar system as a bunch of spheres, each inside the next, that moved in circular epicycles (circles being considered a perfect form). The problem was, the model didn't match reality. So, later astromomers modified the Ptolemaic system to include more epicycles, smaller ones, whose centers moved along the larger spheres. As their observations of reality increased, more epicycles were added to the existing ones, to make everything match up. The model became incredibly complicated.
Then Copernicus arrived on the scene, and he moved the Sun to the center. Suddenly, most of the problems in the Ptolemaic system just vanished. Remember that the Ptolemaic system explained what was seen in the sky; it was just much simpler to use the Copernican system.
The Mormon church is like that. As reality intrudes (archeological research, DNA investigations, discovery of the BoA papyri, blacks and the priesthood, etc.), the church (usually the apologists) just add another epicycle, and consider it explained. But, when you replace their center with something else, everything makes sense. Now I know that the Sun is at the center, and all is right with the world(s).


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:39 am 
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Goldarn,

Where was the rescue of Apollo 11?!?!?!?!?! I was looking forward to that story. :evil:

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:43 am 
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SillyNut wrote:
Goldarn,

Where was the rescue of Apollo 11?!?!?!?!?! I was looking forward to that story. :evil:


It was Apollo 13, and I've been told that falls under Section 11C9 of the Imaginary Security Act. :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:58 am 
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Goldarn wrote:
BYU is where my idealistic view of the mormon church foundered.


LOL. My TBM mom, while discussing our "loss of testimony," told one of my two apostate siblings that she should never have let us go to BYU. (Haha. That's a laugh. She got weepy and my dad got pugnacious when I even hinted that I wanted to look at another school. Turns out--we found out when it was too late--that she'd hated the place too and her father had in fact forced her to go there.)

But it's a sad commentary when going to the church school actually makes apostasy more likely.

Oh, and welcome to FLAK.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:05 am 
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belaja wrote:
But it's a sad commentary when going to the church school actually makes apostasy more likely.

Oh, and welcome to FLAK.


Like I said, I think it had more to do with my idealistic view of the church. When I heard of the book Shaken Faith Syndrome, I immediately thought that I'm exactly that person it was written for--someone who actually believed most of the church's hype.

The problem, apparently, is that I believed Prophets spoke with God, that the Gospel embraces all Truth, the BoM was literally true, and the D&C contains the actual words of God. I guess if I hadn't bothered to have real faith, it wouldn't have been shaken. :roll:


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:38 am 
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Goldarn wrote:
I grew up a Mormon boy. Now I'm here...

I was considered very spiritual as a youth; I held the leadership callings such boys hold, but was generally considered "nerdish," and thus, didn't fit in too well. But I was still "spiritual," by which I mean I knew all the answers to the questions in class


That was me, so I feel you there. I got so good at telling people exactly what they wanted to hear that I forgot how to stand the fuck up for myself. I'm just now trying to recover that ability.

Welcome to FLAK. I feel as though we've met, possibly in another world, an existence before this one...or maybe it was just another thread. Either way, welcome to the party.

P.S. There's no leaders at this party to make sure that Jesus can fit between you.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 2:06 am 
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Welcome, goddamn.

If you played Adventure, might you remember Zork?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zork

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 2:40 am 
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Equality wrote:
If you played Adventure, might you remember Zork?


Yes, I have been eaten by more than one Grue in my day! I prefer Adventure, tho.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:17 am 
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Equality wrote:
Welcome, goddamn.


*snicker*

Nice story, GD. I'm going to Google Original Adventure. Vintage games FTW.

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GD, thanks for posting the intro after SN and I laid on the peer pressure!

But seriously it was cool to hear your story and I found your metaphor to be apt.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:27 am 
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Twinkietamer wrote:
P.S. There's no leaders at this party to make sure that Jesus can fit between you.


My wife will be happy to hear that. :lol:


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Vahn wrote:
I'm going to Google Original Adventure. Vintage games FTW.


Try here.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:36 pm 
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Welcome GD!


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 1:26 am 
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Very welcome.

Mind if I inquire when you were at the YBU, and where you served your mish?

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Very welcome.

Mind if I inquire when you were at the YBU, and where you served your mish?


Yes, you may.

I was at BYU from 84 to 90, with a break for a mission to Taiwan Taipei 85/86, for 21 months (I had a choice from 18 to 24 months, lest you think ill of me).

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