Radioactive Wrath wrote:
Not sure what to say to this. I got circumcised as an infant, so I don't know the difference. It seems to be more aesthetic than anything nowadays, although you hear some rumors from the scientific community saying STD rates for certain diseases can be lowed with circumcision.
I'm sure its painful to watch. I wouldn't want to be in the room.
Good luck with your wife. Although I can think of better things to get divorced over, are there underlying issues?
Most studies linking a reduction in STDs to circumcised males have come under criticism because of selection bias. For instance most circumcised males in Africa are Muslim with lower infidelity rates and no condom hangup. The truth is, circumcision is a cure that has been looking for a disease for a long time, Ever sense Victorian doctors used it as a method for stopping boys from masturbating.
Oh, well. In that case! Your wife is so lucky to have such an eviscerating personality around!!
Fair, very fair.
However, I wouldn't and have not talked to her like that. I am just very aware of the fact that I am worked up about this issue right now and was seeking to avoid apologetics. Still fair criticism.
kate hepburn wrote:
I'm really sorry to hear about your situation.
I don't think circumcision is the heart of the matter, communication and respect are. And for that you probably need a relationship counselor or therapist, not the FLAK board's opinions on circumcision. Is your wife open to counselling?
No she isn't open to counseling. I just feel like I'm stuck you know? She wont really even discuss the issue. Shes right, she knows it, and my opinion isn't going to change her mind.
Cain, I think we're talking about a fundamental decision to rebel against the authority of our society. Perhaps your DW and her cohorts recognize this in you. Fear it. Their afraid of the fact that you question their authority over you, that you're demanding more than an appeal to conformity as justification. They clearly don't have more to offer ... well, perhaps they'll make the 'cleanliness' argument or the 'sexual gratification' argument. But I'm with you, this is largely bogus and just listed justification to the irrational core reason: obedience.
I hope you get through this in the best way possible, and better now than later.
There have been times that I said "fuck'em" but I really do love my family, and I don't want to lose them. It just makes me crazy that an issue of such fundamental abuse isn't seen as such, and that just because the community unites with her I'm supposed to role over and take it.
Its at times like this that all the problems we don't talk about in our marriage come to mind and I get really depressed and angry. I'm actually a really laid back guy, so I think it shocks DW when i get so passionate about something. This however will not change her mind, it just screws with our marriage.