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[Subversive Asset 2.0]

I'm pretty famous there, even though I don't go there. I posted on a couple of articles of Greg West's (owner of SPAM) at his blog at examiner.com...and then he said I was an "example of anti-mormon obsession."

If you check his social group (the spam lds site linked in this topic already) you'll see that "anti-mormon obsession is one of the topics, and it's all about me.

It's pretty presumptuous.
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[Logos]

Kittywaymo is a member there! lol

http://spamlds.ning.com/profile/Kittywaymo

[belaja]

OMG! Perhaps Sister PDQ should go over there too! I know she admires Kittywaymo a great deal.

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[aerin]

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[Nurse in Black]

I agree, John Hamer is very cool. Has introduced me to many new things in his posts. We should start an "I LOVE JOHN" thread. He's so smart and talented.

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[Equality]

[aerin]

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[Subversive Asset 2.0]

This is exciting. I've never talked with someone while not talking with someone.

Greg's friend Rebekah tells me that you guys earlier weren't diligent in your search. Here's Negros Christian church: http://www.negroschristianchurch.org/index.htm

Greg chastises you politically correct, liberal buffoons for not realizing how negro is used in a truly Christian sect. He tells us that we are the product of an education that tells us WHAT to think, not HOW to think (ok guys, I know, I know).

Greg finds it "truly funny" to watch the reaction of us antis (we *all* are upgraded to antis. Isn't this exciting?)

In the meanwhile, if you have any messages for Greg, just give them to me, and I'll put them on my shirt or something so Greg can find them as he's intently rummaging through my stuff.

To any Spam LDS readers here, please don't be offended by the other FLAKers:

xoxo
~Andrew
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[aerin]

Who was it that said "by their fruits, ye shall know them"??

I can't remember.
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[GhostPuma]

Subversive, I must say that I was surprised that Greg West actually posted your bio info into the forum. I find it sad that someone would go to such lengths. To top it off, he and his friends find it perfectly justified to write insulting comments as to how you're to young to understand and insinuate that some major life event must have pushed you to your current beliefs.

I was going to create a username over there but as Greg is apparently reading this I'll post right here what I want to say.

As a grown man, Greg, you have shown little class in your comments. Apparently you have not read your own forum and links, or you simply disregard them, as you are in direct contradiction. To launch a personal attack on someone who disagrees is never justified. It would be different if you had facts or truth but you simply discredit by saying something negative must have happened to make a person feel this way.

I have grown tired of the 'anti' label you so casually throw around. There might be anti-mormons on this site but I would venture to say that the majority of the posters here in no way consider themselves anti. I myself do not consider myself anti-mormon any more than you probably consider yourself anti-abortion or anti-exmormon. Simply because you disagree with something doesn't mean you slap the title of anti in front of it.

I will also tell you that I consider myself an atheist now. It's not because I have a belief that nothing exists or even might exist. I simply have processed all the information available to me and find that it's most probable that there isn't anything after this life. You on the other hand continue to say that the LDS church is the one true church. This a bold statement and to make it you had better be prepared to defend it with facts/truth. Simply stating your testimony or referencing scripture verses doesn't help with your claim. As much as you will say read the BoM and pray about it, personal feelings/thoughts are not and never will be evidence of truth. If you insist on that position then you have to give credence to all other sects and religions because every religious group has the same feelings.

"I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
– Stephen Roberts
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[Subversive Asset 2.0]

Well, to be fair GhostPuma, my info is available for all to see on my blog, so that's probably my bad. But the thing that gets me out of all of this is...if he is so adept at finding my information and whereabouts on the internet, why doesn't he respond -- even once -- via any channel? Going to his examiner site? No response. So it seems like signing up for spamLDS would be pointless because he's just going to continue to ignore face-to-face conversation and instead opt to talk behind e-backs.

Which if he wants to play that game, then fine. Because if he has a mirror to look behind his back at what we're saying, then we can set up our own mirror. And in each mirror, we'll be talking to the reflection of the other guy...the next best alternative to direct conversation given the circumstances.

To be so presumptuous as to assume conclusions from my age or to assume things about my family life...sure, those are low moves, but I really think that he needs that. He needs to be able to vent because it makes him more secure in his beliefs. He needs to be able to somehow rationalize the existence of people who don't fit his cookiecut forms...so he has to cram people into his preestablished forms. You're not ex. You're anti. And you're anti for reasons that he can easily pinpoint and wave off with scripture and teachings from the church.

So, I mean, I'm not angry at them, and I don't think any of us should be. In reality, I just lament for them. I lament that they do not have security in Christ. They do not have security enough in their own faith, so they have to appeal to others and compare and contrast themselves to the strawmen they have created of others.

So, I lament that religion has failed them. The church has failed them. Because I mean, I have no problem if someone finds peace and happiness in the church. But as we see, with Greg and his friends, it has not. They have not found security in "turning the other cheek," or in a number of concepts.

But they need this for themselves. In a way, it's no different than those ex-mormons or ex-any religion who have been scarred or damaged by the thing they left. I would wish that everyone could have peace, but sometimes scars run deeply.

So while I would like to try to show Greg and friends that there is another way to look at it, I can understand that from his experiences, he's probably only seen one type. He probably only understands one type of nonbeliever. He probably has only seen those who are vehement against the church. And so he has to go with what he understands, or he betrays himself. And this keeps him back a bit, but he needs that. Milk before meat, etc.,

He does not need ridicule and he does not need contempt, no matter what trespass he commits against anyone. Because he does not know what he does. This gives us a great opportunity to look at ourselves and evaluate how compassionate we have been.
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[brailsmt]

Everytime I want to see someone manipulating others words, jumping to conclusions, not listening to counter arguments, employing ad hominems and showing extreme bias, I just read a few of Greg West's posts. The guy has an amazing capacity for arrogance and for putting others down who do not agree with him. It always gets my rancor up to read his tripe.
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