Put away the victim card. No one said anything about Dehlin or anyone else being a coward.
You're staying in the church for your family. I sincerely wish you the best with that.
John seems to be staying in for the church itself. Big difference (another huge difference is that you don't seem to be going out and actively defending the church). If there are extenuating circumstances in his life also, then I understand. If, like I said, it's for the church itself, I don't understand. In fact, I entirely disagree, as per Swedeboy's post.
No one's taking shots at anyone. I take issue with Dehlin's position (given certain assumptions I admit may be incorrect). Some defend it. Nothing more than that.
So are John's reasons selfish or selfless
? Is he returning to the church for personal reasons, or because he's received e-mails from 1,000 people just like Absolutist and is trying to reach out to a different audience all over again?
If Absolutist and thousands of others like him are truly
stuck in the church, shouldn't we be commending John who is not stuck, yet chooses to remain to reach out to those similar? Who else is going to do it?
I just fail to see how one can be okay with Absolutist's position and reasoning for remaining active and not okay with John's position, as John's whole premise now seems to be reaching out to people similar. Absolutist stays in the church for his family, and I'm sure one of the reasons John stays in the church (and does his podcasts), is for the families of people like Absolutist.
Vahn makes a thoughtful point here. Also, I would like to commend John Larsen, who does a great job with the podcasts.
Let's not have someone leave over an issue of semantics, or the difference between "hate" and "revile" or some such. It's not necessary that anyone should leave this board over an opinion about John Dehlin or any of the thousands of people who choose to remain in the church, but not of it- the definition of a NOM.
We may not find JD's work relevant to ex-Mo's, but it is possible that his work helps many who need to stay in order to keep their families intact or who need to "straddle the fence" for the time being.
Let's not get into that false dichotomy of "either with us or against us." Sounds like something that an apologist, or GBH would write. ( I realize it was written as a joke-- but still). I hope that Subversive Asset stays and remains part of the board. --