Priest Activity- Southern UT church history tour

SIMS · **Joined:** Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:55 pm **Posts:** 587

I keep getting such great material from the local church. My son got a brochure about the upcoming summer Priest activity that is being sponsored by the stake. This 5 day activity is a road trip to Southern UT to
* Visit historic church sites
* Perform baptisms for the dead in the St George temple
* Provide meaningful service
* Hike in breathtaking Zion's canyon
* Learn about early church pioneers
* Build lifelong friendships
* Walk where Prophets have alked
* Be a part of history

Here are the highlighted photos of places they will visit: Zions National Park, Pine Valley Chapel, Lee's Ferry, Jacob Hamblin's house, St. George Tabernacle, St. George Utah temple, Brigham Young home, and..... grand finale... Mountain Meadows Massacre. Each photo has a brief description. The BY home does not mention polygamy directly at all. Here is what it says:

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During the three decades that he led the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Brigham Young directed the establishment of more than 300 communities throughout the American West. "Brother Brigham" sent the first settlers to St. George in 1861. During his annual visits to St. George, he made plans for the construction of the temple and tabernacle. In 1871 he purchased the house, and in 1873 he added a spacious two story front section to the original building. Brigham Young spent the last winters of his life at his St. George home.

Me thinks that 'spacious 2 story front section was likely living quarters for one of his many wives. Plus, it makes me sick that he is made out to be this great leader when it is obvious from journals that he treated many of his wives terribly. I guarantee that polygamy will NEVER be brought up on this trip.

Okay, so the best part about this is the totally evasive (and I think overtly dishonest) description of the MMM:

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On the 11th of September in 1857, north of St. George, is the site of one of the worst slaughters of travelers in the frontier west. It is told that Mormons and Native Americans acted together, even though both parties placed the blame on each other. The Mountain Meadows Massacre offers a reminder of the uncertainty in historical records, since the facts of the massacre have been permanently clouded by so many conflicting accounts that historians will never know the true story.

Yep, we'll never know the true story. Says the official line of the church. It's 'permanently clouded' boys, so don't even think that reading anything else will help you come to any other conclusion. :rolleyes:

MrsDoubtfire · **Joined:** Sat Jul 09, 2011 3:48 am **Posts:** 212

SIMS wrote:

I keep getting such great material from the local church. My son got a brochure about the upcoming summer Priest activity that is being sponsored by the stake. This 5 day activity is a road trip to Southern UT to
* Visit historic church sites
* Perform baptisms for the dead in the St George temple
* Provide meaningful service
* Hike in breathtaking Zion's canyon
* Learn about early church pioneers
* Build lifelong friendships
* Walk where Prophets have alked
* Be a part of history

Sounds like the itinerary for a senior citizen tour bus excursion. A boring one at that.

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Brigham Young spent the last winters of his life at his St. George home.

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Me thinks that 'spacious 2 story front section was likely living quarters for one of his many wives.

I may have stayed in it; I once stayed in a Bed & Breakfast in St. George where the several rooms are named after the wives of a famous polygamist -- could have been Brig, but it was from the same time period for sure.

I hope they keep up these boring outings, and that they keep asking teens to wake up at 4:30 in the morning to go to seminary. That will be awesome.

belaja · **Joined:** Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:54 am **Posts:** 6176

SIMS wrote:

Okay, so the best part about this is the totally evasive (and I think overtly dishonest) description of the MMM:

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On the 11th of September in 1857, north of St. George, is the site of one of the worst slaughters of travelers in the frontier west. It is told that Mormons and Native Americans acted together, even though both parties placed the blame on each other. The Mountain Meadows Massacre offers a reminder of the uncertainty in historical records, since the facts of the massacre have been permanently clouded by so many conflicting accounts that historians will never know the true story.

Yep, we'll never know the true story. Says the official line of the church. It's 'permanently clouded' boys, so don't even think that reading anything else will help you come to any other conclusion. :rolleyes:

OMG, that pisses me off. That is so chock full o'lies I can hardly see straight. Fuck them. FUCK. them. They are NEVER going to come clean. Fuckers.

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leftofcentre · **Posted:** Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:56 am

So...what do the girls get to do for their upcoming summer activity?

SIMS · **Joined:** Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:55 pm **Posts:** 587

leftofcentre wrote:

So...what do the girls get to do for their upcoming summer activity?

I'm glad you asked. Just this year, girls camp has been reduced from 5 days to 3 days in an effort to make sure no girls will have to be at camp on Sundays. This girls camp they go to services many stakes around here, so this way one stake can be there M,T,W then the next stake can be there TH, F, S and no one has to be there on Sunday. Brilliant right?

Except the younger boys here (12-14) go to a weeklong BSA camp that this year, "to maintain fairness" will be only 6 days long...so they won't be there on the dreaded Sunday. Heaven forbid they enjoy nature on the sabbath. And yes 6 days vs 3 days is TOTALLY fair. :rolleyes:

The whole thing pisses me off. Like REALLY pisses me off. Girls here are not allowed to leave our zipcode without special permission, but the boys can wrap anything they want as a boy scout event and head out to the lake to water ski, etc. As far as I know, there is not any kind of Laurel stake activity for just the older girls to enjoy. Or even the Miamaids for that matter. Last year, the stake sponsored a week long trip for the 14-15 year old boys too. The whole thing is seriously SO MESSED UP. :evil:

Is it any wonder I have my girls in Girl Scouts? Sheesh!

RicoBabalu · **Posted:** Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:35 am

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I may have stayed in it; I once stayed in a Bed & Breakfast in St. George where the several rooms are named after the wives of a famous polygamist -- could have been Brig, but it was from the same time period for sure.

You wouldn't have stayed in the Brigham Young Winter Home. It's an LDS church operated museum and attraction. Where you stayed was the Seven Wives Inn. Built by Edwin G. Wooley.

No, I don't know who he was either.

belaja · **Joined:** Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:54 am **Posts:** 6176

RicoBabalu wrote:

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I may have stayed in it; I once stayed in a Bed & Breakfast in St. George where the several rooms are named after the wives of a famous polygamist -- could have been Brig, but it was from the same time period for sure.

You wouldn't have stayed in the Brigham Young Winter Home. It's an LDS church operated museum and attraction. Where you stayed was the Seven Wives Inn. Built by Edwin G. Wooley.

No, I don't know who he was either.

He was Spencer Kimball's maternal grandfather.

:scratch:

I'm a bit embarrassed that I know that.

Epstein · **Joined:** Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:03 pm **Posts:** 731

SIMS wrote:

The whole thing pisses me off. Like REALLY pisses me off. Girls here are not allowed to leave our zipcode without special permission, but the boys can wrap anything they want as a boy scout event and head out to the lake to water ski, etc. As far as I know, there is not any kind of Laurel stake activity for just the older girls to enjoy. Or even the Miamaids for that matter. Last year, the stake sponsored a week long trip for the 14-15 year old boys too. The whole thing is seriously SO MESSED UP. :evil:

Our YM have been to San Diego (from St George) at least twice. The YW cannot go further than 100 miles away.

MrsDoubtfire · **Joined:** Sat Jul 09, 2011 3:48 am **Posts:** 212

RicoBabalu wrote:

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I may have stayed in it; I once stayed in a Bed & Breakfast in St. George where the several rooms are named after the wives of a famous polygamist -- could have been Brig, but it was from the same time period for sure.

You wouldn't have stayed in the Brigham Young Winter Home. It's an LDS church operated museum and attraction. Where you stayed was the Seven Wives Inn. Built by Edwin G. Wooley.

Yep, that was it. Seven Wives Inn. Thanks.

Floater · **Posted:** Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:16 am

SIMS wrote:

I keep getting such great material from the local church. My son got a brochure about the upcoming summer Priest activity . . .

Seriously, does anyone think any normal teenage boy or young man would enjoy a trip like that?

It's almost comical, like the leadership contemplating this event was hell bent on ruining a week of their lives, scarring their brains with the permanent message "Fuck this shit"

jbsaxman · **Joined:** Sat Mar 22, 2008 7:53 am **Posts:** 1815

Epstein wrote:

SIMS wrote:

The whole thing pisses me off. Like REALLY pisses me off. Girls here are not allowed to leave our zipcode without special permission, but the boys can wrap anything they want as a boy scout event and head out to the lake to water ski, etc. As far as I know, there is not any kind of Laurel stake activity for just the older girls to enjoy. Or even the Miamaids for that matter. Last year, the stake sponsored a week long trip for the 14-15 year old boys too. The whole thing is seriously SO MESSED UP. :evil:

Our YM have been to San Diego (from St George) at least twice. The YW cannot go further than 100 miles away.

Both as a boy scout and as a scout master (the first in the mid-90's and the later in the mid-2000's) we had to have special permission to travel further than 100 miles as well. This was in the heart of Happy Valley.

Either way it's retarded. My grandpa used to fly the scouts in his single engine plane all over the place to go camping. Can't have any of that any more.

Logos · **Joined:** Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:05 pm **Posts:** 841

Borrrrrringggggg.....

Epstein · **Joined:** Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:03 pm **Posts:** 731

jbsaxman wrote:

Epstein wrote:

Our YM have been to San Diego (from St George) at least twice. The YW cannot go further than 100 miles away.

Both as a boy scout and as a scout master (the first in the mid-90's and the later in the mid-2000's) we had to have special permission to travel further than 100 miles as well. This was in the heart of Happy Valley.

Either way it's retarded. My grandpa used to fly the scouts in his single engine plane all over the place to go camping. Can't have any of that any more.

That's probably true here as well, but the YM get permission because they'll have PH holders along for the trip. The YW don't get permission because there are no PH holders to go with them and their adult leaders don't have penises with which to keep everyone out of trouble.

Blixa · **Joined:** Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:33 pm **Posts:** 989

SIMS wrote:

Okay, so the best part about this is the totally evasive (and I think overtly dishonest) description of the MMM:

Quote:

On the 11th of September in 1857, north of St. George, is the site of one of the worst slaughters of travelers in the frontier west. It is told that Mormons and Native Americans acted together, even though both parties placed the blame on each other. The Mountain Meadows Massacre offers a reminder of the uncertainty in historical records, since the facts of the massacre have been permanently clouded by so many conflicting accounts that historians will never know the true story.

Yep, we'll never know the true story. Says the official line of the church. It's 'permanently clouded' boys, so don't even think that reading anything else will help you come to any other conclusion. :rolleyes:

Wow. That is a lie. A big lie. A BIG GODDAMNED DISGUSTING VILE LIE. It's such a fucking gigantic lie I want to track down the person who wrote it and have them read John D. Lee's account of the 14 year old boy who had his head caved in with the butt of a rifle and then show them a photograph of the kid's actual skull with the rifle butt imprint in it.

Do you still have that brochure? Because I could really use it (or a scan of it) for some research I'm working on. PM me, please.

SIMS · **Joined:** Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:55 pm **Posts:** 587

Blixa wrote:

Wow. That is a lie. A big lie. A BIG GODDAMNED DISGUSTING VILE LIE. It's such a fucking gigantic lie I want to track down the person who wrote it and have them read John D. Lee's account of the 14 year old boy who had his head caved in with the butt of a rifle and then show them a photograph of the kid's actual skull with the rifle butt imprint in it.

Do you still have that brochure? Because I could really use it (or a scan of it) for some research I'm working on. PM me, please.

Yes, I still have it. I can email you a copy or you can try to get it from the attached jpg. I have no idea who made this flyer- presumably someone in the stake YM presidency, but since I never ever attend, I have no clue who that would be. Besides the lying in this brochure, it just sets up the church to wave off any other concerns about historical issues as "uncertainty in historical records".

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