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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:01 pm 

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Hello everyone, I am new to the post-mormon world and would like to tell my story. I am feeling a little alone right now and hope to connect with other ex-mormons to talk to and relate with. I live in North Carolina and I only know of one ex-mormon here - ironically I sometimes wish I lived back in Utah since I would have a larger ex-mormon community to connect with!

I was raised in Utah in a true-believing active family. I served a mission and was active in the LDS Church until just six months ago. However, my doubts started about 8 years ago, and I slowly grew apart from the church intellectually and only left the church formally in 2011. I was studying a lot about the origins of the universe at the time and remember specifically a book I read that laid out, with scientific information how the universe came to be, and I became open to the idea that maybe the universe just "is" - that there really may not be this divine person in heaven who created it all with his ultimate powers.

I began my skeptical study of the existence of God, not the shake my faith, but because I wanted to know if there really was an afterlife. Increasingly, through studying science and religion, it became more and more likely that God does not exist, that religion is just man's way of dealing with the very painful possibility that this life is all there is. Religion makes you feel good that there is more, that it's not pointless. When I doubted God and told someone, they said, "well I believe in God because if there wasn't a God, none of this would make any sense. What would be the point of it all?" Well, in my head I thought, why would there NEED to be a point? Nature, the universe, everything doesn't have to explain itself, it just IS. After several years of sitting in church, listening to people say "don't think too much about it, don't rely on science, just have faith", it really turned me off more and more that the Mormon church is anti-intellect, anti-science, anti-skepticism. They will claim they are not, point you to small shallow books like Mormon Scientist, which doesn't tackle the big issues and treads very lightly and unconvincingly, or say that "well, scientists don't know everything." That always makes me laugh. While true, scientists DO know a lot. Evolution has been proven as one example, but that's very hard to reconcile with the LDS and Biblical interpretation of earth's history.

So I became agnostic (not atheist, as I think any scientist or skeptic should be open to all possibilities, however how unlikely until proven otherwise) but remained in the church for several more years, even serving in very prominent positions and teaching others, all the while feeling hypocritical and that I was among blind believers - people who relied solely on "faith" - just believing because any doubt was heresy and sinful. Moroni said you can pray and ask if the book is true, you can be skeptical but get an answer. I prayed many many many times, especially at the end of my crisis of faith, and never had any spiritual experience, never had any feeling or answer. God did not respond to me. If he exists, he seems to be very elusive and difficult to communicate with. Scripture study, living the “clean life”, prayer, temple attendance, paying tithing, none of that would seem to allow me an answer to my prayers asking if God exists and the Mormon church is true. Why at the time when I would need an answer the most, would God not send his spirit to testify to me? The answer became clear, because he doesn’t exist. Therefore there must be no God, no devil, no Boogie Man out to get me, no Holy Ghost, no Easter Bunny, no Santa Claus, elves, ghosts, leprechauns (though I do believe Garth Brooks exists, I saw him in concert once and while I don’t listen to country much, he was f’ing amazing!)

Once I was down that path, I freaked out a little, knowing this life is IT, how sad! I hoped the church was still true, I started investigating for myself. If it was true, the truth should reveal itself. However, learning about the problems with the Book of Abraham and it’s Egyptian translation was kind of the straw that broke the camel’s back for me. How could an entire religion believe one man’s claims he translated it correctly, when Egyptologists have independently verified the translations are not as Joseph Smith’s claims.

Next came the church’s homophobic policies. I am straight, but I have a friend who is gay, and I don’t see how there is no place for her in this church. She was born that way, she didn’t choose it, yet she cannot find attraction to men. She has always been attracted to women since she was little, yet the church would say it is her choice to be that way, that having sexual relations (or even just kissing) someone of the same gender is sinful. There is no place for her in this church, nobody she can marry in the temple without it being a lie to herself and to them.

Finally, what I really cannot get past is the church’s historical racial policies against African-Americans. Why would Brigham Young and other church leaders say such hateful things about race, and why would the church not allow African Americans to hold the priesthood until 1976 – even long after the Civil Rights movement had died down and been resolved? The church had adopted un-popular policies in the past (Polygamy) without regard to consequence, why not allow Black to hold the priesthood? Why hide the statements by church leaders about the curse of Cain and the dark skin references in the Book of Mormon?

Other things that caused me to leave the church: Belief in a literal flood in Noah’s time (seriously Christians around the world accept this as fact?), Joseph Smith’s polygamist practices to marry teenage girls and women who were already married, Moses committing genocide on women and children in the book of Numbers, death before the fall, Jonah and the Whale (really?), Joseph F. Smith’s failed prophecies, DNA evidence and the Book of Mormon, Translation errors in the bible’s book of Isaiah also appearing in the Book of Mormon, evolution, Adam-God as pronounced to be true by Brigham Young, Blood Atonement, hiding things from church history, I could go on.

After a while, you realize that all of this doesn’t add up. I am no longer a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and despite what just about every mormon would believe would happen, I HAVE NEVER BEEN HAPPIER! I am living the life that I have, as I CHOOSE, loving my children, and working to establish a better relationship with my ex-wife, who is still a faithful member, and believes I am going to hell. That makes me sad – not just that she judges me, but that she is in an intellectual trap that won’t allow her to see outside the church, that will forever hold her hostage. Its just sad that my move towards aethiesm/agnosticism would contribute so much to the downfall of our marriage. There were other factors, but that was one of the major issues that came between us.

Being “born under the convenient”, I did not choose the church, it chose me. I have chosen to leave it and it is the best decision I have ever made. I just wish I had made it earlier. Seeing the church from the outside looking in is simply amazing and while I would never try and lead others out of the church or encourage them, I hope to help anyone who is opening their mind and thinking for themselves, realizing they have been living a lie. I hope to hear from you and what you think of my experience. There is a lot more to tell, but not what I would feel comfortable saying here, but thank you for listening!


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:24 pm 
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Hey, welcome to FLAK. Your story is really interesting, but also very similar to what a lot of people here have experienced--including the bit about needing to connect with others who've gone through it. The church tries to make you believe that if you have issues, well, you're the ONLY one who does, the problem is YOU, not the church. For me, that was one of the best parts of finding the DAMU. All the stuff that had bothered me so much over the years was the same stuff that had secretly bothered LOTS of people. It was such a relief to find I wasn't crazy or somehow under the sway of the devil--that there were rational and ethical objections to much of the church doctrine, cultures, and practices. And of course, it then pissed me off to realize they had deeply imbedded such a self-hating mindset into me that I was relieved to know that truth is not lies and lies are not truth.

I look forward to reading your contributions.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:33 pm 

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Thanks Belaja! Its SO good to connect with people like me. I completely agree with you. The church and its members do not allow any doubt to creep in - if you do, it's evil and sinful. Therefore, you really can't fully study the church and "the gospel" so see if it is true, there is no way to do a true test. The test is supposed to begin with an assumption the church IS true, then you re-confirm it with prayer. Any good skeptic or scientist would tell you that you should start all investigations with an unbiased mind. That's what I did, and I found FAR more evidence supporting the claims the church is not what it claims to be, rather than it is.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:02 am 
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Well said, Soloshotfirst.
I was thinking about what you said regarding the "painful possibility that this life is all there is." There were many painful possibilities when I believed -- and the possibility of death wasn't one of them, unlike how others feel. To me, life was often pain, and often I thought I would welcome death. It was especially hard to often feel so out of sync with members who shunned questions that went too deep.

Like you, happiness became more intense for me after I sloughed off my believing soul for one less vulnerable to disappointment.

Happiness lies now in thinking that each moment, if really felt, is a gift.

I hope you find people to talk to here. Online discussions can be disjointed and sometimes unsatisfying. More than that, I hope you find some amazing friends in your new life in NC.

Peace,
MrsDoubtfire


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:17 pm 
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I'm sorry -- I didn't mean to kill the whole forum!


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:34 pm 
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You, know Mrs. D, I realize you worry about being the threadkill quite a bit, but I want you to think about it THIS way:

It's that what you have said is so brilliant, so eloquent, so mind-blowingly true and wise, that everyone is just struck dumb with awe and amazement.

You may laugh, but it's funny cuz it's true. :lol:

Anyhow, don't ever change, that's what I say. If people can't come up with anything to match you, well, don't blame them, realize it's just that most people aren't as fabulous as you and (poor things) they slink away in despair when they realize it.

Basically, most of this is true. Certainly all the parts about you being brilliant and fabulous and a cut above the average are anyway.

Here. As a token of my love and respect, I gift you with a ninja (cuz FLAK doesn't have Afro emoticons) :samurai:

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:24 pm 
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Great. Now I'M the threadkill. Thanks. Thanks a lot. :mrred:

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:06 pm 
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