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 Post subject: Re: Club Unicorn
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:04 pm 
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Apparently Josh Weed is a marriage counsellor. Is this irony, a conflict of interest, or does it give him the ability to empathise with people who have incompatibilities in their relationships? I wonder what he advocates to his clients when they tell him they are living in impossible circumstances? Try harder, you can do it if I can? I worry that what his message ultimately says to young gay people is that it IS possible to get married and have a fulfilling sex life with the opposite sex if you'll just try hard enough and trust in god.

I predict he'll try and do the right thing by his kids (and his wife) but his marriage to his wife will likely change when the children are out of the house...even if he and she do stay married. I don't mean to be harsh and, of course, I'm speculating but thinking of spending an eternity in a physical and emotional relationship with someone in a commitment like Mormons purport to have, and it being the wrong sort for your orientation - if he IS gay - will cause him (and his family) misery in the long run. Then again, there is a part of me that thinks, 'If he says he's gay, then he is gay,' in the same way that people who feel gender dysmorphia are willing to say they have a sex/gender disconnect and I believe them. It's a big risk to say you're gay, stay married, remain a counsellor for traditional married couples if there's nothing in it for you. I wonder what's in it for Josh? A book? Limelight? More LDS clients who want to be able to do what they think he's managed to do?? Sorry for my scepticism.

Fuck, what a trainwreck. :soapbox: :wtf:


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 Post subject: Re: Club Unicorn
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:39 pm 
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trinity3infinity wrote:
This relationship works because he's bi, not gay. . . . The only progress the church has made is simply acknowledging that gay people exist - they can say they are gay at BYU or at church now, but I'm sure that the message is still, "get married, pray, and the gay will go away" type of thing.


He is not bi, he is homosexual. The gay has not gone away. This is evidence to the contrary of "the gay will go away" theory. If it would go away for anyone, god would surely make it go away for this faithful, obedient servant. (Not a valid argument, but I suppose you could use it on tbm's ).

Like many of you have said, if this guy chooses to live this lifestyle good for him. Great for him, and his family. But it don't mean shit with respect to the LDS agenda, he's still homosexual and if other homosexuals choose to have a relationship with persons they are actually attracted to then good for them also.

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 Post subject: Re: Club Unicorn
PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:41 pm 
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leftofcentre wrote:
Apparently Josh Weed is a marriage counsellor. Is this irony, a conflict of interest, or does it give him the ability to empathise with people who have incompatibilities in their relationships? I wonder what he advocates to his clients when they tell him they are living in impossible circumstances? Try harder, you can do it if I can? I worry that what his message ultimately says to young gay people is that it IS possible to get married and have a fulfilling sex life with the opposite sex if you'll just try hard enough and trust in god.

I predict he'll try and do the right thing by his kids (and his wife) but his marriage to his wife will likely change when the children are out of the house...even if he and she do stay married. I don't mean to be harsh and, of course, I'm speculating but thinking of spending an eternity in a physical and emotional relationship with someone in a commitment like Mormons purport to have, and it being the wrong sort for your orientation - if he IS gay - will cause him (and his family) misery in the long run. Then again, there is a part of me that thinks, 'If he says he's gay, then he is gay,' in the same way that people who feel gender dysmorphia are willing to say they have a sex/gender disconnect and I believe them. It's a big risk to say you're gay, stay married, remain a counsellor for traditional married couples if there's nothing in it for you. I wonder what's in it for Josh? A book? Limelight? More LDS clients who want to be able to do what they think he's managed to do?? Sorry for my scepticism.

Fuck, what a trainwreck. :soapbox: :wtf:


I don't recall exactly where I saw this linked, but he specifically is an "sexual addiction/unwanted sexual attraction" counselor: http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2012/06/26249/

One of the comments on that page points out, "He is the Warren Throckmorton camp of ex-gay therapy. He doesn’t want to literally turn people straight (as in actual conversion therapy). He even helps them to accept that they are gay. But his clients are highly religious, so the only option is either celibacy or a sham marriage. He then helps to make one of those two options work.

So don’t accuse him of offering conversion therapy. He will rightfully deny these charges. His approach is more subtle, but dangerous in its own ways. And also unfair to the spouses of these men."

Another thing that I find interesting is that he also lists "sexual identity issues" as one of the things he treats. I'm going to assume he means trans issues, but I doubt he actually follows the current recommend treatment for transpeople, you know, to actually transition to their actual gender or sexual identity!


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