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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:07 am 
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Here's my intro post from NOM 3/17/2005:

It's amusing to see the matrix avatars and references to taking the red pill, as that was one of the first analogies I made after "waking up."

I'm a short time lurker and just started questioning the church this year. I come from multi-generational TBM's on both sides of my family and just kind of walked around in a haze since I can remember. I don't think I ever had a testimony and never really put any effort into praying and studying and listening to the spirit to try to get a testimony. I didn't go on a mission, it didn't seem like the thing for me, besides I was too busy getting to know my now DW. We got married in the temple and we've just gone through the motions since then.

My dad was never really active, except at times when he had a calling, but my mom always went. My dad didn't take me through the temple for my endowments and wasn't there at our ceremony but I didn't feel much either way about that. My FIL was the one to take me through the temple and after finding out that he decided things weren't what they seemed in the house of zion I decided to take a "peek into the rabbit hole."

I'm still kind of working my way through the process of de-programming and still constantly have the occasional flashes of "being deceived by men of intelligence" and the fact that I'm "giving up my eternal salvation by denying the truth" etc.. etc.. but it's getting so easy to recognize the patterns of brainwashing and cult-ish behavior that was just status quo 6 months ago. Thankfully I have a DW that's felt things weren't quite what they seemed all along and we've been going through this discovery process together.

I should've listened to those thoughts that kept creeping up, "isn't there something inherently wrong about asking you to pray for a confirmation about something when you may not believe in the process in the first place?"

Life is definitely good right now but there is one sticking point in all of this. My MIL is a die-hard TBM and was sort of pinning her hopes on us, DW in particular, as the only child out of all her siblings to stay in the church. Her mother is pretty, understandably, upset about finding out that her husband no longer believes and we're not sure how she'd take finding out we'd fallen off the wagon as well.

We're just taking things slow right now and feeling things out in regards to how much we "come out". The world is a pretty amazing place for me right now. I've found that when everything I believed in has been shown as false and taken away I'm left with the real me. It's fun finally getting to know yourself.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:13 am 
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Here's my "coming clean to parents" story from 7/10/2006:


As an introduction I'm BIC, MIT, but didn't go on a mission. Both my parents have pioneer ancestry and the majority are believers. In my immediate family all are believers of varying degrees, and while somewhat liberal myself I never doubted the truth claims of the church. My father has had varying levels of activity in the church throughout my life but was unable to be my escort through the temple when I received my endowments; this duty fell to my father-in-law.

In early January 2005 my sister-in-law sent me an e-mail explaining that my father-in-law was leaving the church and that she wanted to warn me beforehand so I would be better equipped to deal with my wife when this revelation reached her. She suggested I visit josephlied.com if I had any questions. The e-mail was soon followed by a call from my mother-in-law explaining the same thing, and about how she'd been dealing with this personal hell for the last year.

I was pretty shocked and a little afraid at first and wouldn't touch the website with a 10 foot pole. Then one Sunday about a month later my wife's frustrations with the church came to a head and she blew up. She'd grown increasingly disillusioned with the church and had been asking a lot of questions I couldn't answer for her and was frustrated with a constantly short-handed ward. I broke the news to her about her dad and she was shell-shocked for the rest of the day. That night we hit the website and the whole tapestry started unraveling for me. I found link after link that explained the church in a new light, in a way that made much more logical sense and I found myself thinking more critically about my entire life. If was a wonderful period of self-discovery for me and I wouldn't trade it for anything, even with all the fears that went along with it.

At first we thought we could do the NOM thing for her mom (my wife was the last believing member of her family besides her mom) as well as my extended family of believers. Each week at church grew more unpalatable and we would find any excuse to leave early or skip church altogether, but we both held callings that made that difficult. In June 2005 we decided to quit our callings and stop attending, so after transmitting the tithing on my last Sunday I asked the bishop if I could speak with him. I let him know that we no longer believed in one true church, that none of it was his fault, that we appreciated all he'd done for us, but that we would no longer be attending. It was one of the scariest but most empowering things I've ever done.

We followed up with a letter so my wife could explain that we were on the same page, and we also requested that there be no re-activation attempts. To the bishop's credit we haven't been part of any overt or official re-activation attempts, just the monthly round of missionaries going through our neighborhood that we saw anyway when we were still members.

My parents moved into our Stake before any of this happened and it was inevitable that they would catch wind of something. One day they asked why our daughters hadn't been going to primary and I sort of brushed it off. Sometime in August 2005 I decided I was going to come clean to my parents. I wrote a letter to my dad explaining that I'd come across evidence on the internet and in books I'd read that led me to believe the church was covering up some of it's history and that I could no longer believe it was the one true church. My mother, father, and younger sister were all home when I brought the letter for him to read and I sat there as each one of them read it over. It was pretty gut wrenching waiting for their reaction.

My dad took it fairly well, my sister cried, my mom was fine until she asked if I still wore my garments. My sister nailed it on the head when she said, "Why would he wear them any more if he doesn't believe in them?" My mom continued to be argumentative for the next couple months off and on, asking how we could raise our children without a foundation, how their salvation would be on our heads. I continued to explain that it was her opinion, that I'm sure she never invited her mother or mother-in-law to tell her how to raise her own children, that I was old enough ( 28 ) to make my own decisions on how to live my life and raise my children.

It was a tense few months that have gradually given way to a different equilibrium. While our relationship isn't exactly the way it was before, I'm glad I told them. There's only the very occasional "You need to read this article in the Ensign" or "You just need to have faith." Turnabout is fair play and I return with my own Ensign articles talking about Joseph putting his face in a hat and perhaps my parents know, even if they don't acknowledge, that not everything is as it's taught in church. It was important to me that I explain I didn't quit attending church because I desired to sin or because I'm lazy, whether they actually believe it or not.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:13 am 
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Mr-Brightside wrote:
My sister nailed it on the head when she said, "Why would he wear them any more if he doesn't believe in them?"

That's funny that your sister was so perceptive and logical about it. Nice story, it was good to hear it went well for ya. Hey, it was nice to meet you and DW at the war-on-jello, sorry we couldn't stay longer, I had plans with my bro that evening, but it was awesome meeting you guys. Hope we can get together again sometime.


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I'm holding out hope that my sister will be able to find her way out of the church sometime soon before she gets tied down to some die-hard Peter Priesthood type, though she seems smarter than to fall for a guy like that.

It was really great to meet you and your wife as well, I can't wait for the chance to sit and talk with you again.

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you look very handsome mr. b., but i'd wager that desert_vulture could totally kick your ass.

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peep stoner wrote:
you look very handsome mr. b., but i'd wager that desert_vulture could totally kick your ass.


Well, he'd better NOT!


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peep stoner wrote:
you look very handsome mr. b., but i'd wager that desert_vulture could totally kick your ass.


I think I wanna kick YOUR ass peep stoner. You better put that superman suit back on bitch.


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belaja wrote:
Well, he'd better NOT!


Thanks for getting my back, Bel!

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Mr-Brightside wrote:
belaja wrote:
Well, he'd better NOT!


Thanks for getting my back, Bel!


Oh, I've ALWAYS got your back, baby!


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desert_vulture wrote:
peep stoner wrote:
you look very handsome mr. b., but i'd wager that desert_vulture could totally kick your ass.


I think I wanna kick YOUR ass peep stoner. You better put that superman suit back on bitch.

don't make me get up from this bear before i'm finished!!

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:10 am 
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Hey Mr B - totally enjoyed your stories. After all the emotionally exhausting stories of people whose spouses are not with them, it is so nice to read about two people who went through it together.

And on that note, I'd love to read Mrs B's intro/info...has she posted an intro anywhere?


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