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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:59 pm 

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Hello everyone.

I came across the forum yesterday while in search for the holy grail of a CALM chapter in Salt Lake. I got excited when I saw the discussion on the oil situation and posted in their first. So, now that pesky little task is out of the way I suppose I should introduce myself and provide some background.

I grew up on the east bench of Salt Lake. My family is extremely dedicated to the church and my father has been everything from a bishop to an area authority. Our ward was intensely saturated with members. Of the 14 boys my age in our area only one wasn’t LDS, and he later converted. So, I ate, slept, and breathed the church. While my personal relationship with the church was at times rocky all was more or less kosher until I got to high school.

I was a biology nut with delusions of going to medical school so I entered a program my senior year where I attended the University of Utah for the bulk of my school day. Of course I had to go to my high school long enough to satisfy my parent’s early morning seminary requirements. During one such morning our seminary teacher enlightened us on the evils of evolution which degraded into a comical testimony affair. The students essentially held hands and chanted, “Hosanna, Hosanna, evilolution is bad!” Unfortunately, (or maybe fortunately,) in my backpack I had a couple dozen tubes filled with drosophila colonies that I was using to induce and track evolution. That moment planted a powerful dissonance in me that set my personal exodus in motion.

I spoke with my bishop and he encouraged me to have faith that after this life I would be enlightened and all would be well. I partially bought that but started to fade away from the church. When my nineteenth birthday rolled around I decided not to go on a mission. But my parents applied the thumb screws and after about six months they suggested that I should consider either going on a mission or getting an apartment so I could “get on with my life.” Not surprisingly I had a miraculous conversion and within a few months I was off on my Jesus-sharing adventure to South America.

Instead of being the faith promoting experience I was expecting my mission was a psychological quagmire. The first Sunday I was there was a shock. The stake record book indicated there were about 900 members in our ward but when we arrived I was greeted by about 25. Our mission had about a %4 retention rate. We had a new mission president and he shifted our focus from proselytizing to reactivation. I spent the bulk of my time tracking down former members and trying to get them to church. A surprising number didn’t even know they were members and those who did showed little interest in returning. There were stories of nice white missionaries doing things like giving kids popsicles and taking them to the local font for a fun little dip in a big tub. The time I did spent proselytizing was just as dismal. I remember telling a companion that they should change the term, “promise of Mosiah,” to “fraud of Mosiah.” In our area Evangelical religions were on fire. I guess our popsicles couldn’t compete with their mass healings. In the end despite my herculean psychological assault on the poor masses I was mostly unsuccessful, at least compared to my expectations.

I returned from my mission with my faith intact but my soul scarred. A year later I met my first girlfriend and three weeks later we were engaged, ahhh the efficiency of the mormon baby generating machine. Our marriage was very rocky the first year. My wife and I were jolted into the reality of relationship management as the honeymoon period wore off and we struggled to get to know each other. But we stepped through the motions, finished school, and moved forward. A couple years later we purchased Infobases, the church’s wondrous repository, (or suppository I now like to think,) of information. While gleefully sifting through topics I entered the term, “evolution.” Much to my dismay I discovered the church had made an official statement on the subject, (I believe under Joseph F. Smith’s reign,) and it was decisively negative. It drove a wedge through my psyche. It started a wave of conscious thought regarding the validity of the church’s claims and for the first time I really asked myself, “could it be false?” I actually didn’t touch the history side of the equation, just the churches relationship with science and the core logic behind the book of Mormon and other church doctrine. I found it illogical that God would send Jesus to the Americas but not to the other five thousand corners of the world. I also wondered why God would send us to earth as a test and not tell %99.9999999 of the people about the test. I decided baptism for the dead is a pretty lame attempt to answer that because it undermines the reasoning for sending people to earth as a test and genealogy can’t possibly gather the names of even a small sampling of the earth’s total population through the ages.

I kept going to church for my wife, but I no longer believed. It fractured our relationship and put us in that horrible stasis of one spouse in, one spouse out. It’s such an awful situation, particularly when you have children, of which we have three. I didn’t want to leave my wife whom I loved and I really didn’t want to lose or scar my children but I was intensely unhappy and fought depression. I still went to church but it was painful for me. I wanted to claw my eyes out during testimony meeting in particular. I knew enough about psychology to see the overt psychological manipulation that was seeded in everything the church does and it drove me nuts. After a while I made a deal with my wife that I’d go one week a month but no more. I also told the bishop that I didn’t believe in it and suggested that I not be given a calling. It helped alleviate my anxieties but I think it just shifted them to my wife.

I’m a very fortunate man. My amazing wife is a history major. Without me even knowing it she had begun her own odyssey into the churches murky history and being the bright and logical woman she is she escaped with the truth. I’m very happy Joseph Smith was a pedophile and slept with other men’s wives or I might be divorced today. On one deliciously happy day she told me she’d come to the same conclusion. Hopefully she’ll get on here and tell her story from her perspective. We decided it was time for a reboot and we moved to a new house in another area and had our names removed from the church.

Unfortunately as I’m sure most if not all of you are aware, life is not always easy for an ex-mormon living in the sea of the believing. My family ostracized us, except for one of my sisters who is also an ex-mormon. My wife’s family has been much better. My father-in-law works for the church as a church historian. He was actually somewhat key to our complete departure, but that’s another story. They’ve been remarkably supportive but I think it still changed our relationship with them to a degree. Our previous friends wholesale disappeared. Non-mormons in our area are mostly much older than us and members vacillate from treating us with caution to the neighborhood pariah. Sometimes I think I’m cursed with the leprosy of truth. But luckily for me I work in an industry that is primarily non-LDS but my wife is very unlucky. She struggles with trying to raise three young children and has no real friends anymore, hence my search for a CALM chapter in SLC that led me here.

I’m actually very interested in hearing how people have faired after leaving the church. Do people find happiness in other cities or can it be done staying in the valley? Are there any social groups that meet in Salt Lake? We’d really love to meet some other people who are in our situation.

To the individual who hosts this board and to those who post, thank you. It’s nice to have a place to go and have some contact with fellow survivors and I look forward to hopefully participating in the discussions.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:27 pm 
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Welcome, Lungspleen. I can tell you that you have a helluva lot more exmos to befriend and socialize with down in UT than I do in Montana. So you're in luck. There are many amazing people here who live near you.

Great intro.

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 Post subject: Re: Hello Hello
PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:55 pm 
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lungspleen wrote:
The students essentially held hands and chanted, “Hosanna, Hosanna, evilolution is bad!” Unfortunately, (or maybe fortunately,) in my backpack I had a couple dozen tubes filled with drosophila colonies that I was using to induce and track evolution. That moment planted a powerful dissonance in me that set my personal exodus in motion.


Ah, there goes that wretched science again, tempting the faithful away with its logic and verifiable, reproducable results. Clearly, the fruit fly is the fruit of EVIL.

A lot of your story really resonated with me. I'm glad your wife came out with you! I guess a love of history is even more dangerous than a love of science.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 6:25 am 
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Welcome, interesting post, I related well to much of it. As a fellow Zionist, surrounded by TBM family, I can not say it made me feel very secure to resign.

At postmormon.org they have a bunch of gatherings information.

If it were me, and I was ostracized by family, then I would move out of Utah.

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Welcome, friend!

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I’m actually very interested in hearing how people have faired after leaving the church. Do people find happiness in other cities or can it be done staying in the valley? Are there any social groups that meet in Salt Lake? We’d really love to meet some other people who are in our situation.


That's like asking the question, "Once you've seen the matrix, could you live happily within it?"

It's a matter of preference, in my opinion. Personally, I enjoy being able to abuse what knowledge I have. :) The valley is my personal plaything. xD

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Hi and welcome! I agree with SML, GREAT intro.

There are a lot of FLAKKers in Utah. I'm not there and I wish I had more exmos where I am. Fortunately I got out with my husband also. He left intellectually first and I managed to come around on my own within a year of him telling me he didn't believe in the church. Much to the surprise of him and a lot of people here, lol.

We're both on this board too. :)

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Sometimes I think I’m cursed with the leprosy of truth.


I love this line. Yes, I have felt that way. I struggled for two years to extricate my family from the mindfuck of Mormonism, only to have my wife sink into the abyss of Islam. Talk about an affront to reason and science. My wife actually said to me once in a sneering fashion: "Oh, you and your 'science.'" And she is a medical professional. It's amazing how religion turns people against truth in favor of fantasy. The world as they would like it to be rather than as it is, I suppose.

Thanks for the great intro and welcome to FLAK. There is an Ex-Mormon conference in Salt Lake City in mid-October. It is put on by the Ex-Mormon Foundation, one of whose directors is the person who started the whole CALM thing, I think. If you want to meet ex-mos from Utah and around the world, that's a great place to do it. These boards and the DAMU blogs also serve the function of a social support network.

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oh, the ol exmo in utah thing again.

god its good to be in cali where the church just minds its own business and doesnt meddle inappropriately.

oh. nevermind. scratch that part. the church is disgrace all over the place.

welcome lungliver


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Equality wrote:
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Sometimes I think I’m cursed with the leprosy of truth.


I love this line. Yes, I have felt that way. I struggled for two years to extricate my family from the mindfuck of Mormonism, only to have my wife sink into the abyss of Islam.


Whoa. I missed that. That's ...unusual? Wow. Have you posted on this?


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 Post subject: Thank You
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Thank you very much for your warm welcome.

I've been reading through the blogs of those of you who have responded and I have to say, I am stunned by your eloquence, warmth, and the depth you've chosen to share. I find myself wanting to comment on posts you've made far in the past. It's been a long time since I've been so intent on reading Mormon related material. You're amazing people. Thank you for showing such courage to post such personal things!


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Welcome Lungspleen!

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