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Chino Blanco
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 Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 12:29 pm Post subject: AP: Mormon image suffers after gay marriage fight |
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Mormon image suffers after gay marriage fight
First half-dozen grafs excerpted here:
By JENNIFER DOBNER (AP)
| Quote: | SALT LAKE CITY — The Mormon church's vigorous, well-heeled support for Proposition 8, which banned gay marriage in California last year, has turned the Utah-based faith into a lightning rod for gay rights activism, including Saturday's nationwide "Kiss-in."
The event comes after gay couples here and in San Antonio and El Paso, Texas were arrested, cited for tresspassing or harrassed by police for publicly kissing. In Utah, the July 9 trespassing incident occurred after a couple were observed by security guards on a downtown park-like plaza owned by the 13 million-member Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The court case was dismissed, but the kiss sparked a community backlash and criticism of the church.
"I don't think that kiss would have turned out to be the kiss heard round the world if it were not for Proposition 8," said Ash Johnsdottir, organizer of the Salt Lake City Kiss-in.
National organizers say Saturday's broadly-held gay rights demonstrations were not aimed specifically at the Mormon church. But observers say the church's heavy-handed intervention into California politics will linger and has left the faith's image tarnished.
"What I hear from my community and from straight progressive individuals is that they now see the church as a force for evil and as an enemy of fairness and equality," said Kate Kendell, executive director of the San Francisco-based National Center for Lesbian Rights. Kendell grew up Mormon in Utah. "To have the church's very deep and noble history telescoped down into this very nasty little image is as painful for me as for any faithful Mormon." |
Full article available at KSL.com
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Nanna P
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| Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: AP: Mormon image suffers after gay marriage fight |
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Why yes! That's exactly how I see the church! |
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Sunstoned
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| The whole prop 8 thing has been a PR disaster for TSCC. GBH is probably turning over in his grave. |
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Any guesses as to how Romney is going to spin this in '12? Fucking flip flopping mother fucker.
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I keep thinking of Cleve Jones thanking the mormon church for galvanizing the movement.
Really. Best of luck to them on fighting this losing battle.
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| junesu wrote: | | Any guesses as to how Romney is going to spin this in '12? Fucking flip flopping mother fucker. |
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind.
The answer is blowin' in the wind.
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Lola-Cola
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| oaxaca wrote: | | junesu wrote: | | Any guesses as to how Romney is going to spin this in '12? Fucking flip flopping mother fucker. |
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind.
The answer is blowin' in the wind. |
It's fairly obvious now. He'll say what every great gas-bag of god says: "No Apology."
Because when your faith is god's conviction then apology is a mortal sin.
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Chino Blanco
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| Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:25 pm Post subject: So, did the LDS Newsroom ... |
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So, did the LDS Newsroom launch its new blog pretty much for the sole purpose of responding to Dobner's AP piece?
http://newsroom.lds.org/blog/
Perhaps unsurprisingly, it would seem the Bloggernacle has studiously ignored the article ... not a peep not even a sidebar link.
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Lola-Cola
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| Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:54 pm Post subject: Re: So, did the LDS Newsroom ... |
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| Chino Blanco wrote: | So, did the LDS Newsroom launch its new blog pretty much for the sole purpose of responding to Dobner's AP piece?
http://newsroom.lds.org/blog/
Perhaps unsurprisingly, it would seem the Bloggernacle has studiously ignored the article ... not a peep not even a sidebar link. |
The church editorializing by pointing to blog posts they think say it better than they could themselves? "Heh, yeah. What she said." Did you read what she said? You want this non-mo blogger to be your surrogate voice? Can of fucking worms? These guys are losing it.
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Chino Blanco
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| Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:03 am Post subject: Elder Ballard's latest advice ... |
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| Quote: | | The church editorializing by pointing to blog posts they think say it better than they could themselves? "Heh, yeah. What she said." Did you read what she said? You want this non-mo blogger to be your surrogate voice? |
Apparently they had to link to that whiny, pissy non-Mormon blog post because Mormon bloggers themselves are no longer allowed to appear so friggin' defensive.
Because, while the Newsroom blog directs readers to that ridiculous GetReligion post, the Newsroom itself currently leads with this:
http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/news-releases-stories/apostle-urges-morm...
Apostle Urges Mormons to Speak Up, Avoid Defensiveness
| Quote: | “In our interactions with others are we expecting always to have to defend ourselves? If so, I think we need to make a course correction.” Elder Ballard said. “It is inconsistent with where we are today as a Church and as a great body of followers of Jesus Christ.”
Elder Ballard referred to recent research that suggested Mormons can sometimes appear defensive to those who are not members of the Church. The study said that when Mormons are explaining their beliefs, they couch their language in terms that suggest they are expecting criticism. |
Mormons can sometimes appear defensive? Answering this question required a fresh study?
They are truly losing it.
Oh well, maybe this latest More Good Foundation scheme will save the day:
Adopt-a-Site: http://siteadopt.org/
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| Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:43 am Post subject: Re: Elder Ballard's latest advice ... |
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I love their use of the word 'conversation.'
| astroturfers incorporated wrote: | | “Are you wondering how you can participate in the online conversation about us as members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? |
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Chino Blanco
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| Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:25 am Post subject: So, anyway ... |
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So, anyway, the 'conversation' continues ...
As it turns out, lo and behold, the LDS Newsroom Blog's latest post is all about Taiwan, or more specifically, LDS relief efforts in the wake of typhoon Morakot.
http://newsroom.lds.org/blog/2009/08/typhoon-morakot-hit-taiwan-earlier.html
Thing is, the folks at the Newsroom Blog link to local Taiwan video of the clean-up effort, but don't bother to translate the footage. No worries. I've gone ahead and uploaded the clip to YouTube with my rough translation here:
Mormon (LDS) Missionaries Help Clean Up Taiwan After Typhoon Morakot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeuiJg9aj2M
Where am I going with this? Not sure yet. But until that gets figured out, I just wanted to post a link to one of the guys on our Dems Abroad Taiwan board who's also been bustin' ass (just like the Elders) to help clean up:
http://web.me.com/jddavis79/Site/The_Josh_Davis_Blog_in_Taiwan/Entries/2009/8/16...
Actually, scratch that, I do know where I'm going with this. If anyone from LDS Public Affairs happens to be reading this, how's about linking to my YouTube clip? I understand that you're strapped for resources and all, so this is me offering to help out and make this heartwarming story of missionary service available to a wider (i.e., English-speaking) audience w/o y'all having to spend a dime on translation services.
Cheers.
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